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		<title>By: Vishal Gupta</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vishal Gupta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh. Expect it to become noisier once the Monsoon session begins. And if Anna goes to fast as planned, we are going to see some dramatic politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. Expect it to become noisier once the Monsoon session begins. And if Anna goes to fast as planned, we are going to see some dramatic politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishal Gupta</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad that we reached a middle ground!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad that we reached a middle ground!</p>
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		<title>By: rahul</title>
		<link>http://taxfreethoughts.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/662/#comment-1699</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vishal,
Yes you are right. I forgot to mention last time that your original blog is written well though (apart from some arguments which I had).
I agree there are grey areas that have to be addressed but I assume they will be covered in the bill. Otherwise we can send thoese as concerns and request some changes.

Delhizen :-). I agree technology changes fast and it might be not a very clever analogy. I was just trying to bring my point. 
Thanks for the replies guys.
Rahul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vishal,<br />
Yes you are right. I forgot to mention last time that your original blog is written well though (apart from some arguments which I had).<br />
I agree there are grey areas that have to be addressed but I assume they will be covered in the bill. Otherwise we can send thoese as concerns and request some changes.</p>
<p>Delhizen <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I agree technology changes fast and it might be not a very clever analogy. I was just trying to bring my point.<br />
Thanks for the replies guys.<br />
Rahul</p>
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		<title>By: Kartikay</title>
		<link>http://taxfreethoughts.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/662/#comment-1698</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering that the noise has died down and it&#039;ll be a good time for a constructive debate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that the noise has died down and it&#8217;ll be a good time for a constructive debate!</p>
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		<title>By: Vishal Gupta</title>
		<link>http://taxfreethoughts.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/662/#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vishal Gupta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sahay, why do you agree? And why is it time for a re-write?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sahay, why do you agree? And why is it time for a re-write?</p>
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		<title>By: Vishal Gupta</title>
		<link>http://taxfreethoughts.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/662/#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vishal Gupta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rahul.

Thanks for presenting your arguments.

I understand that a legislation evolves over time. I have mentioned that the analysis pertains to version 2.2 (Under section &quot;Isn&#039;t Jan Lokpal Good?&quot;).

You are right in pointing out that these are the personal views of the author. I do not claim that I have analysed it absolutely threadbare. We have courts for that purpose. It was intended to provide a perspective to people who might be interested in BOTH sides of the arguments. And to have discussions like these which sadly, have been ignored in fanfare.

As for Judiciary, I have only mentioned this : &quot;It is being perceived as a threat to judicial independence.&quot; I have not passed a judgement over this. Some newspapers (Indian Express, ToI) have been scathing on Jan Lokpal over inclusion of higher judiciary. I personally don&#039;t believe higher judiciary is sacrosanct. They should come under the purview of some institution which can take prompt action. Jan Lokpal fits the bill.

I have even read the latest draft (2.3) on your recommendation. There are some welcome changes. High courts have been granted writ jurisdiction over Lokpal orders. Special section on accountability of Lokpal has been provided. But most of the other gray areas that I pointed out continue to remain valid. 
 
These gray areas are not necessarily criticisms. I would definitely prefer Jan Lokpal over government draft. However, given the political scenario and debate, it is difficult to steer this bill through parliament as it requires multiple constitutional amendments (Article 312, Article 148, Article 124 and so on).

I would be glad to re-evaluate or clarify my stand on any further specific points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahul.</p>
<p>Thanks for presenting your arguments.</p>
<p>I understand that a legislation evolves over time. I have mentioned that the analysis pertains to version 2.2 (Under section &#8220;Isn&#8217;t Jan Lokpal Good?&#8221;).</p>
<p>You are right in pointing out that these are the personal views of the author. I do not claim that I have analysed it absolutely threadbare. We have courts for that purpose. It was intended to provide a perspective to people who might be interested in BOTH sides of the arguments. And to have discussions like these which sadly, have been ignored in fanfare.</p>
<p>As for Judiciary, I have only mentioned this : &#8220;It is being perceived as a threat to judicial independence.&#8221; I have not passed a judgement over this. Some newspapers (Indian Express, ToI) have been scathing on Jan Lokpal over inclusion of higher judiciary. I personally don&#8217;t believe higher judiciary is sacrosanct. They should come under the purview of some institution which can take prompt action. Jan Lokpal fits the bill.</p>
<p>I have even read the latest draft (2.3) on your recommendation. There are some welcome changes. High courts have been granted writ jurisdiction over Lokpal orders. Special section on accountability of Lokpal has been provided. But most of the other gray areas that I pointed out continue to remain valid. </p>
<p>These gray areas are not necessarily criticisms. I would definitely prefer Jan Lokpal over government draft. However, given the political scenario and debate, it is difficult to steer this bill through parliament as it requires multiple constitutional amendments (Article 312, Article 148, Article 124 and so on).</p>
<p>I would be glad to re-evaluate or clarify my stand on any further specific points.</p>
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		<title>By: delhizen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Sahay, there shall be a appropriate update soon! Vishal is busy with some other work, I think. </p>
<p>Rahul, you will get our take on the points raised by you&#8230; but comparing Bills with technology designs? Now that’s a little immature because technology changes very fast and becomes obsolete at an even faster pace and that clearly is not the case with Bills. Never will be atleast in India </p>
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		<title>By: Kartikay</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree! Vishal, Delhizen, it&#039;s time for a re-write!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! Vishal, Delhizen, it&#8217;s time for a re-write!</p>
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		<title>By: rahul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vishal,

Sadly in your blogg you have mentioned there are quite a few problems with the bill, actually thats not correctly put. The CVC, CBI merger has been proposed which merges them and put s them under Lokpal. Whenever a bill is being proposed it is in crude state, but after Jan 2011 to now (July 2011) there have been many changes made and suggestions taken in to account. Let me tell you facebook concept, boeing planes, iphone and what not has been designed so far deemed as one of the best innovations have been very crude in their original design. So originally the bill can be that way, if educated people dont read it and understand it fully withoud having any political maturity, then we might tend to comment on them with our limited understanding. I highly recommend reading the lokpal bill draft again. Then ask elders, people who have worked in govt offices or who have dealt with the corrupt, explain the bill and ask them if there could be any loop hole. Also to the people who are reading this blog and making their opinion on Lokpal is not good bcoz this are just the bloggers views and is not necessarily the exact meaning of what Lokpal might intended to be. 
I would also urge you to watch 2-3 videos on IAC website where Arvind Kejriwal explains the bill in short. 
As far as judiciary goes Lokpal is not going to sit on top of it nor create a nuisance for it. Please let me know if this is not a resonable argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vishal,</p>
<p>Sadly in your blogg you have mentioned there are quite a few problems with the bill, actually thats not correctly put. The CVC, CBI merger has been proposed which merges them and put s them under Lokpal. Whenever a bill is being proposed it is in crude state, but after Jan 2011 to now (July 2011) there have been many changes made and suggestions taken in to account. Let me tell you facebook concept, boeing planes, iphone and what not has been designed so far deemed as one of the best innovations have been very crude in their original design. So originally the bill can be that way, if educated people dont read it and understand it fully withoud having any political maturity, then we might tend to comment on them with our limited understanding. I highly recommend reading the lokpal bill draft again. Then ask elders, people who have worked in govt offices or who have dealt with the corrupt, explain the bill and ask them if there could be any loop hole. Also to the people who are reading this blog and making their opinion on Lokpal is not good bcoz this are just the bloggers views and is not necessarily the exact meaning of what Lokpal might intended to be.<br />
I would also urge you to watch 2-3 videos on IAC website where Arvind Kejriwal explains the bill in short.<br />
As far as judiciary goes Lokpal is not going to sit on top of it nor create a nuisance for it. Please let me know if this is not a resonable argument.</p>
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